Microservices deployment has been around for some time, but security didn’t get much attention from developers – they simply trusted the network. Today we talk with <a href= "https://twitter.com/prabath">Prabath Siriwardena</a> and <a href= "https://twitter.com/nuwandias">Nuwan Dias</a>, authors of <a href= "https://amzn.to/3nDwChH">Microservices Security in Action</a>* and deputy CTOs of the <a href="https://wso2.com/">WSO2</a>, on the state of microservices security today. We dig deep into the issues of infrastructure, available tools, procedures, and challenges in predicting the threats and integrating security patches into microservices. When you finish listening to the episode, make sure to connect with Prabath and Nuwan on LinkedIn and Twitter, and book their services at <a href= "https://wso2.com/">https://wso2.com</a> with a steep 35% discount with the code podlegacy20.  And don’t miss the opportunity to read their book <a href= "https://www.manning.com/books/microservices-security-in-action?query=nuwan"> Microservices Security in Action</a> for free with the codes provided below (codes expire in March 2021).  Mentioned in this episode: Prabath Siriwardena on LinkedIn at <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/prabathsiriwardena/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/prabathsiriwardena/</a> Prabath Siriwardena on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/prabath">https://twitter.com/prabath</a>  Nuwan Dias on LinkedIn at <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/nuwandias/?originalSubdomain=lk"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/nuwandias/?originalSubdomain=lk </a> Nuwan Dias on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/nuwandias">https://twitter.com/nuwandias</a>  Read Prabath Siriwardena and Nuwan Dias, Microservices Security in Action at <a href= "https://www.manning.com/books/microservices-security-in-action?query=nuwan"> https://www.manning.com/books/microservices-security-in-action?query=nuwan</a> for free with codes: legmic-1CF1 legmic-3460 legmic-13D3 legmic-511B legmic-EEE7 Use WSO2 services at <a href="https://wso2.com/">https://wso2.com</a> with 35% discount with the code podlegacy20 * Heads up! If you purchase the book through the link above, we will get a small commission which helps us continue to bring quality content to our Legacy Code Rocks! community. You won’t pay a penny more, we receive a small kickback, and you’re supporting our friends who wrote the book. Everybody wins!

Security is a big topic with many facets, and this is especially true for microservices.

90: Microservices Security with Prabath Siriwardena and Nuwan Dias

In the last episode of 2020, we took a stroll through the little known corridors of coding history with <a href="https://twitter.com/pomeranian99">Clive Thompson</a>. Clive is a technology and science journalist for the New York Times Magazine, Wired, Smithsonian, and many other outlets. In his new book <a href= "https://amzn.to/34Kf3pR">Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World</a>*, he explores how computer programmers - the people who are increasingly running the world - think and what are their plans for changing the way WE work, think and live. In this episode, he tells us incredible stories of coding past and present, giving us a glimpse into how the future is made. When you finish listening to this episode, connect with Clive on <a href= "https://twitter.com/pomeranian99">Twitter</a>, visit his <a href= "https://www.clivethompson.net/">website</a>, and enjoy reading his <a href= "https://amzn.to/3aLZTnR">books</a>*. Mentioned in this episode: Clive on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/pomeranian99">https://twitter.com/pomeranian99</a> Clive’s website: <a href= "https://www.clivethompson.net/">https://www.clivethompson.net/</a>  Clive Thompson, Coders: The Making of the New Tribe and the Remaking of the World at <a href="https://amzn.to/34Kf3pR">https://amzn.to/34Kf3pR</a>* About Betty Holberton at <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Holberton"> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Holberton</a>  About Margaret Hamilton at <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer)"> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_engineer)</a>  Michael Abrash, Graphics Programming Black Book at <a href= "https://amzn.to/3mSxoXV">https://amzn.to/3mSxoXV</a>*  BBC micro:bit at <a href= "https://microbit.org/">https://microbit.org/</a>  Jordan Mechner, The Making of Prince of Persia at <a href= "https://amzn.to/2KK7hoZ">https://amzn.to/2KK7hoZ</a>* * Heads up! If you purchase the book through the link above, we will get a small commission which helps us continue to bring quality content to our Legacy Code Rocks! community. You won’t pay a penny more, we receive a small kickback, and you’re supporting our friends who wrote the book. Everybody wins!

In the last episode of 2020, we took a stroll through the little known corridors of coding history with Clive Thompson.

89: Legacy Coders with Clive Thompson

The thought was, however, that the transition will be done by choice, not by force!  Today we talk with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannarothman/">Johanna Rothmann</a>, a management consultant, speaker, and author of over a dozen reference books on management, agile, team-building, and software development. Just a year before the first lockdown orders descended on the cities around the world, Johanna published with <a href= "https://www.markkilby.com/">Mark Kilby</a> a fantastic guide on managing remote teams: <a href= "https://amzn.to/2K11SJO">From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams: Collaborate to Deliver</a>*. Johanna is our dear guest and a great friend of the show. We invited her today to celebrate together the fifth anniversary of our community. But we couldn't miss the opportunity to pick her brain and seek some advice on remote working and how to manage it.  When you finish listening to the episode, connect with Johanna on <a href= "https://twitter.com/johannarothman">Twitter</a> and <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannarothman/">LinkedIn</a>, check out her <a href= "https://www.jrothman.com/">website</a>, and read <a href= "https://amzn.to/2K11SJO">From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams</a>* and other <a href= "https://amzn.to/3nlcfGR">Johanna's books</a>*.  Mentioned in this episode: Johanna on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/johannarothman">https://twitter.com/johannarothman</a>  Johanna on LinkedIn at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannarothman/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/johannarothman/</a>  Johanna’s website at <a href="https://www.jrothman.com/">https://www.jrothman.com</a>  From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams: Collaborate to Deliver at <a href= "https://amzn.to/2K11SJO">https://amzn.to/2K11SJO</a>*  Johanna’s books at <a href="https://amzn.to/3nlcfGR">https://amzn.to/3nlcfGR</a>* Legacy Code Rocks: Project Management with Johanna Rothman at <a href= "https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/faf2a514/project-management-with-johanna-rothman"> https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/faf2a514/project-management-with-johanna-rothman</a> * Heads up! If you purchase the book through the link above, we will get a small commission which helps us continue to bring quality content to our Legacy Code Rocks! community. You won’t pay a penny more, we receive a small kickback, and you’re supporting our friends who wrote the book. Everybody wins!

Even before the COVID-19 pandemic changed the way we work and communicate, some people expected remote work to become more popular.

88: Celebrating Our 5th Anniversary with Johanna Rothman

Today we talk with <a href= "https://twitter.com/jpruth">Joao-Pierre Ruth</a>, a technology journalist at <a href= "https://www.informationweek.com/">InformationWeek</a> where he covers DevOps and cloud computing. Joao-Pierre gives us his insights on the topic that inspired his recent article “<a href= "https://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/security-and-risk-strategy/cobol-covid-19-and-coping-with-legacy-tech-debt/a/d-id/1337516">COBOL, COVID-19 and Coping with Legacy’s Tech-debt</a>”. After listening to the episode, connect with Joao-Pierre on LinkedIn and <a href= "https://twitter.com/jpruth">Twitter</a>, and check out his articles for InformationWeek. Mentioned in this episode: Joao-Pierre on LinkedIn at <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/joaopierre/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/joaopierre/</a> Joao-Pierre on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/jpruth">https://twitter.com/jpruth</a>  Joao-Pierre’s author profile on InformationWeek: <a href= "https://www.informationweek.com/author-bio.asp?author_id=5108&"> https://www.informationweek.com/author-bio.asp?author_id=5108&</a>  InformationWeek at <a href="https://www.informationweek.com/">https://www.informationweek.com</a> Joao-Pierre Ruth, COBOL, COVID-19, and Coping with Legacy Tech Debt at <a href= "https://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/security-and-risk-strategy/cobol-covid-19-and-coping-with-legacy-tech-debt/a/d-id/1337516"> https://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/security-and-risk-strategy/cobol-covid-19-and-coping-with-legacy-tech-debt/a/d-id/1337516</a>

How has COVID-19 affected legacy code based systems, and what do we do to address the issue?

87: Legacy Code in Times of Crisis with Joao-Pierre Ruth

If only there were a tool that could help us navigate through this complexity. Today we talk with <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/codemouse92/">Jason C. McDonald</a>, CEO, and co-founder of <a href= "https://mousepawmedia.com/">MousePaw Media</a>, about <a href= "https://standards.mousepawmedia.com/qtm.html">Quantified Task Management</a>, the tool that does exactly that. When you finish listening to the episode, connect with Jason on <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/codemouse92/">LinkedIn</a> and <a href= "https://twitter.com/codemouse92">Twitter</a>, visit his website at https://codemouse92.com, and pre-order his book <a href= "https://amzn.to/3b2XenX">Dead Simple Python: Idiomatic Python for Impatient Programmers</a>.  Mentioned in this episode: Jason on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/codemouse92?lang=en">https://twitter.com/codemouse92?lang=en</a> Jason at LinkedIn at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/codemouse92">https://www.linkedin.com/in/codemouse92</a> MousePaw Media at <a href="https://mousepawmedia.com/">https://mousepawmedia.com</a>  Quantified Task Management at <a href= "https://standards.mousepawmedia.com/qtm.html">https://standards.mousepawmedia.com/qtm.html</a> Jason C McDonald, Dead Simple Python: Idiomatic Python for Impatient Programmers at <a href="https://amzn.to/3b2XenX">https://amzn.to/3b2XenX</a> Scott Rosenberg, Dreaming in Code at <a href= "https://amzn.to/32RvG1L">https://amzn.to/32RvG1L</a> Heads up! If you purchase the books through the link above, we will get a small commission which helps us continue to bring quality content to our Legacy Code Rocks! community. You won’t pay a penny more, we receive a small kickback, and you’re supporting our friends who wrote the book. Everybody wins!

Knowing how to prioritize tasks and how to eliminate unnecessary assignments is a crucial skill for successful project management. The more complicated project is, the less obvious its priorities are.

86: Quantified Task Management with Jason C McDonald

Today we talk with <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-lewis-design/">Brandon Lewis</a> and <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/lukerabin">Luke Rabin</a>, co-founders of <a href= "https://www.startwithbldr.com/">BLDR</a>, a digital agency specialized in creating UI/UX designs, technical docs, and developer teams. Building on the immense contributions of behavioral economics, Brandon and Luke talk about the ways of bringing makers and menders together and ensuring that their collaboration is fruitful and lucrative. When you finish listening to the episode, make sure to connect with them on LinkedIn, and visit their website at <a href= "https://www.startwithbldr.com/">https://www.startwithbldr.com</a>.  Mentioned in this episode: Brandon on LinkedIn at: <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-lewis-design/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-lewis-design/</a>  Luke on LinkedIn at: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lukerabin/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lukerabin/</a>  BLDR at: <a href= "https://www.startwithbldr.com/">https://www.startwithbldr.com</a>

We often talk about the makers and menders dichotomy on this show. But we rarely dived deep into the dynamics of collaboration between these two groups of creatives.

85: Mending the Makers with Luke Rabin and Brandon Lewis

But how much easier this task would be if the creator of the code or the previous maintainer left us some breadcrumbs to follow? A simple note on the rationale for a particular decision they have made or a warning about interconnected lines of code would take us a long way! Today we talk with <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreamgoulet/">Andrea Goulet</a>, co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer of Corgibytes. Her empathy-driven approach to software development earned her recognition as one of the Top Ten Professionals in Software Under 35 by LinkedIn. She tells us about this lack of communication in software development, the phenomenon she calls the communication debt, and how its reduction can make the software more robust and its maintenance more efficient. When you finish listening to the episode, connect with Andrea via <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreamgoulet/">LinkedIn</a>, contact her via <a href= "https://corgibytes.com/contact/">Corgibytes' website</a>, and check out her LinkedIn courses: <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/learning/agile-software-development-remote-teams"> Agile Software Development: Remote Teams</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/learning/agile-software-development-creating-an-agile-culture"> Creating an Agile Culture</a>.  Mentioned in this episode: Andrea on LinkedIn at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreamgoulet/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreamgoulet/</a>  Andrea on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/andreagoulet">https://twitter.com/andreagoulet</a>  Corgibytes website at <a href="https://corgibytes.com/">https://corgibytes.com</a>  Andrea Goulet, Agile Software Development: Remote Teams at <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/learning/agile-software-development-remote-teams"> https://www.linkedin.com/learning/agile-software-development-remote-teams</a>  Andrea Goulet, Creating an Agile Culture at <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/learning/agile-software-development-creating-an-agile-culture"> https://www.linkedin.com/learning/agile-software-development-creating-an-agile-culture</a>  Changelog podcast with Katrina Owen at <a href= "https://changelog.com/podcast/108">https://changelog.com/podcast/108</a>  Katrina Owen, Exorcism.io at <a href="https://exercism.io/">https://exercism.io</a>  Indi Young, Practical Empathy at <a href="https://amzn.to/3jkDlLH">https://amzn.to/3jkDlLH</a>* Legacy Code Rocks with Indi Young at <a href= "https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/270edc0e/practical-empathy-with-indi-young"> https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/270edc0e/practical-empathy-with-indi-young</a> Ward Cunningham on technical debt at <a href="https://youtu.be/pqeJFYwnkjE">https://youtu.be/pqeJFYwnkjE</a> Legacy Code Rocks with Arlo Belshee at <a href= "https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/c240c45d/naming-with-arlo-belshee"> https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/c240c45d/naming-with-arlo-belshee</a> Daniel Kahneman, Thinking Fast and Slow at <a href="https://amzn.to/3kceRW3">https://amzn.to/3kceRW3</a>* Legacy Code Rocks with Cyrille Martraire at <a href= "https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/2fd0fdeb/living-documentation-with-cyrille-martraire"> https://www.legacycode.rocks/podcast-1/episode/2fd0fdeb/living-documentation-with-cyrille-martraire</a>  Cyrille Martraire, Living Documentation at <a href= "https://amzn.to/3kd2J7e">https://amzn.to/3kd2J7e</a>* * Heads up! If you purchase a book through the links above, we will get a small commission which helps us continue to bring quality content to our Legacy Code Rocks! community. You won’t pay a penny more, we receive a small kickback, and you’re supporting our friends who wrote them. Everybody wins!

As menders working with legacy code, we are focused on identifying and reducing technical debt.

84: Communication Debt with Andrea Goulet

However, moving to containers can bring many benefits: consistency down the pipeline, no-touch deployment, better support for decomposing the monolith - to name just a few. Today we talk with our own <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/benrj">Ben Johnson</a>. Ben is the lead code whisperer at <a href="https://corgibytes.com/">Corgibytes</a> and a developer with over 20 years of experience. We chat about containerization - what benefits does it bring, what challenges could you encounter in the process, which tools are best suited for the job, and what methodology proves to be most reliable. When you finish listening to the episode, make sure to connect with Ben on <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/benrj">LinkedIn</a> or contact him via the <a href= "https://corgibytes.com/contact/">Corgibytes website</a>, and read his fantastic <a href= "https://corgibytes.com/blog/2020/02/27/monolith-to-kubernetes/?utm_content=buffer43f15&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer"> blog about containerization</a>. Mentioned in this episode: Ben on LinkedIn at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/benrj">https://www.linkedin.com/in/benrj</a> Corgibytes at <a href= "https://corgibytes.com/">https://corgibytes.com</a> Ben Johnson, Moving a Monolith to Kubernetes at <a href= "https://corgibytes.com/blog/2020/02/27/monolith-to-kubernetes/?utm_content=buffer43f15&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer"> https://corgibytes.com/blog/2020/02/27/monolith-to-kubernetes/?utm_content=buffer43f15&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer</a>  Dockers at <a href= "https://www.docker.com/">https://www.docker.com</a> Heroku at <a href= "https://www.heroku.com/home">https://www.heroku.com/home</a>

Most, if not all, of the legacy projects feature monolithic application architectures.

83: From a Monolith to Containers with Ben Johnson

To mark this exciting milestone, we decided to catch up with <a href= "https://twitter.com/woodyzuill">Woody Zuill</a>, our frequent guest, and a person who always manages to teach us something new and exciting. Woody is best known for introducing <a href= "https://leanpub.com/mobprogramming">mob programming</a> to the world, and so we kick-off the show by discussing mob programming in the age of COVID-19. However, as it is always with Woody, he expands our horizons far beyond any single topic. If you get inspired by this chat as much as we did, make sure to register for the series of <a href= "https://www.eventbrite.it/e/mob-programming-online-workshop-tickets-115876980167?aff=erelpanelorg"> Woody's public workshops</a>, which will take place online from 20th to 22nd October.  Mentioned in this episode: Woody on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/woodyzuill">https://twitter.com/woodyzuill</a>  Woody on LinkedIn at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/woodyzuill/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/woodyzuill/</a>  Woody’s website at <a href="https://woodyzuill.com/">https://woodyzuill.com</a>  Woody Zuill and Kevin Meadows, Mob Programming: A Whole Team Approach at <a href= "https://leanpub.com/mobprogramming">https://leanpub.com/mobprogramming</a>  Mob Programming Workshop 20-22 October 2020 tickets at <a href= "https://www.eventbrite.it/e/mob-programming-online-workshop-tickets-115876980167?aff=erelpanelorg"> https://www.eventbrite.it/e/mob-programming-online-workshop-tickets-115876980167?aff=erelpanelorg</a> or <a href= "https://allevents.in/online/mob-programming-online-workshop/10000115876980167"> https://allevents.in/online/mob-programming-online-workshop/10000115876980167</a>  Graham Wallas, The Art of Thought at <a href= "https://archive.org/details/theartofthought">https://archive.org/details/theartofthought</a>  Winston Royce, Managing the Development of Large Software Systems (Waterfall Paper) at <a href= "http://www-scf.usc.edu/~csci201/lectures/Lecture11/royce1970.pdf"> http://www-scf.usc.edu/~csci201/lectures/Lecture11/royce1970.pdf</a>  Zeigarnick Effect at <a href= "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeigarnik_effect">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeigarnik_effect</a>

Our Legacy Code Rocks community is turning five this year.

82: Celebrating Our 5th Aniversary with Woody Zuill

It also distracts from what matters the most - maintaining, caring for, and upkeeping what we have already invented. Today we talk with <a href= "http://leevinsel.com/about">Lee Vinsel</a>, an assistant professor of Science, Technology, and Society at <a href= "https://liberalarts.vt.edu/">Virginia Tech College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences</a>, and <a href="https://arussell.org/">Andy Russell</a>, professor of history and Dean of the <a href= "https://sunypoly.edu/academics/colleges/college-arts-sciences"> College of Arts and Sciences at SUNY Polytechnic Institute</a>. Andy and Lee are technology historians and the authors of <a href= "https://amzn.to/31wJI8U">The Innovation Delusion</a>, a new book that is coming out on September 8th, published by Penguin Random House. We provide you with a sneak peek into this book, which is already the number one bestseller on all major online bookstores. When you finish listening to the episode, be sure to <a href="https://amzn.to/31wJI8U">grab your copy</a>.  Mentioned in this episode: Lee Vinsel’s website at <a href="http://leevinsel.com/about">http://leevinsel.com/about</a>  Andy Russell’s website at <a href="https://arussell.org/">https://arussell.org/</a>  Virginia Tech College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at <a href= "https://liberalarts.vt.edu/">https://liberalarts.vt.edu/</a>  SUNY Polytechnic Institute College of Arts and Sciences at <a href= "https://sunypoly.edu/academics/colleges/college-arts-sciences"> https://sunypoly.edu/academics/colleges/college-arts-sciences</a>  Lee Vinsel, Andrew Russell, The Innovation Delusion at <a href= "https://amzn.to/31wJI8U">https://amzn.to/31wJI8U</a> The Maintainers at <a href= "https://themaintainers.org">https://themaintainers.org</a>  Legacy Code Rocks, Proactive Programming with PJ Hagerty at <a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legacy-code-rocks/id1146634772?i=1000489001499"> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legacy-code-rocks/id1146634772?i=1000489001499</a> *Heads up! If you purchase the book through any of the links above, we will get a small commission which helps us continue to bring quality content to our Legacy Code Rocks! community. You won’t pay a penny more, we receive a small kickback, and you’re supporting our friends who wrote the book. Everybody wins!

Innovation is the hottest prize in the business. It attracts the most attention. It sells stocks in a blitz.

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